Comments on: Iran-US Talks

By: j house

j house — Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:22:41 +0000

Re Mark G’s comments,

I find it odd that people are colored into believing this is all Bush’s fault or that this adminstration invents these situations ” to justify militarism, weapons spending, the destruction of arms control and international order, torture, domestic repression and when it suits them, aggressive war.”
Iraq,Iran and the N. Koreans were not goaded into nuclear weapons development by any US administration, including this one. They view it as their sovereign right and a real deterrent from foreign attack, as well as a matter of technological and political prestige among developing nations.
Was there really ‘international order’ and ‘arms control’ before the Bush administration came to power? Hardly.
Take off your rosed colored glasses and live in the real world.
We have been in a cold war with Iran for over 20 years now and in time, they will be a grave threat to the US and Israel once they obtain the bomb.
Bush won’t even be President when it happens, so the point is moot.
I’m not a neocon, but a realist.
For some reason, this site’s moderator prefers anit-Bush rants to a discussion of the facts though, so I question whether this will get posted anyway.

By: j house

j house — Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:57:18 +0000

The reason diplomatic channels will fail is simple…there is no flexibility in the US/UN position regarding indigenous Iranian production of EU.
The only ‘out’ is for Iran to agree to produce EU in a 3rd country, such as the proposed Russian option.
Given that Iran will eventually have perfected the technology for the fuel production cycle anyway, even that possibility will only delay their entry into the nuclear club (assuming they could successfully hide EU activities from the US IC, which I admit is indeed very difficult)
Posit this question to yourself- Iran’s stated enemy, Israel,has hundreds of nuclear weapons and the capability to completely destroy Iran as we know it in under an hour. The nuclear balance of terror clearly favors Israel in the ME.
It’s other enemy is an economic and nuclear superpower which happens to occupy the countries on it’s borders to the east and west, and isn’t leaving anytime soon.
In terms of Iranian national security and the deterrent value of the nuclear option to prevent an attack, what would you do? Negotiate it all away? Hardly.

By: Paul

Paul — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:49:03 +0000

Agreed. To be clear, I was referring to the specific meeting discussed in the FT piece. I didn’t mean to imply that it is the only indication of Iran’s wish to engage with the US.

By: Matt Bunn

Matt Bunn — Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:32:22 +0000

This is fully consistent with Flynt Leverett’s report that in 2003 Iran formally proposed a U.S.-Iranian dialogue to address all the key outstanding issues between the two countries, but the Bush administration refused. Leverett was Senior Director on the NSC staff for the that part of the world. This is discussed in his New York Times piece earlier this year.

By: Joe Cirincione

Joe Cirincione — Sun, 09 Apr 2006 07:59:37 +0000

Thank, Haninah. I was hoping I was wrong.

Dan Froomikin has posted on the Neiman Watchdog site an excellent set of nine questions the press should ask the administration about its Iran war plans. You can see them and think of a couple more to add here:
http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=ask_this.view&askthisid=00195

By: hass

hass — Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:49:06 +0000

Iran and the US have on several occasions entered into talks—over Afghanistan for example. Those talks are usually torpedoed by the Israelis.

By: mark gubrud

mark gubrud — Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:03:14 +0000

The Bush gang’s policy on Iran has been guided primarily by the desire to create or maintain a set of enemies (the “Axis or Evil”) which serve to justify militarism, weapons spending, the destruction of arms control and international order, torture, domestic repression and when it suits them, aggressive war. That is the program of the Bush gang, and has been from day one, well before 9/11 gave them the power to realize this program.

Just as the need to invade Iraq in 2002/2003 arose from Bush’s political crisis after the easy rout of the Taliban and al Qaeda, the current “crisis” over Iran’s long-brewing nuclear project is primarily driven by the current need for a Next War (whether or not that war ever comes to pass) now that Iraq is seen as a quagmire and Afghanistan is all but forgotten.

Once we acknowledge the underlying motivation, it is no mystery why the Bush gang is uninterested in any prospect for engagement much less resolution of its issues with Iran. It follows that Bush policy toward Iran should consist of threats, denunciations, calculated nonstarter positions, and an effort, in John Bolton’s words, to use the Security Council “to mobilize international public opinion against Iran”, i.e., not to conduct war, if necessary, by legal authority, but to legitimize the threat of another illegal war.

The Bush gang probably is in no hurry to start another hot war, given the predicament in Iraq and the lack of any sane rationale for an attack on Iran. But they are very anxious to raise the threat of a new war, primarily for domestic political consumption. As we have seen before, once that ball starts rolling, it can be hard to stop.

By: Haninah

Haninah — Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:25:25 +0000

Well, anyone else seen Hersh’s piece in the New Yorker (available online)? Thoughts? Looks like Joe Cirincione was right….

By: Ali

Ali — Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:44:49 +0000

US Representative Ron Paul on Iran:
http://recap.fednet.net/archive/Buildasx.asp?sProxy=80_hflr040506_146.wmv,80_hflr040506_147.wmv,80_hflr040506_148.wmv,80_hflr040506_149.wmv,80_hflr040506_150.wmv,80_hflr040506_151.wmv,80_hflr040506_152.wmv,80_hflr040506_153.wmv,80_hflr040506_154.wmv,80_hflr040506_155.wmv&sTime=00:03:17.0&eTime=00:01:11&duration=00:42:42.0&UserName=reppaultx&sLocation=G&sExpire=0

Or go to http://www.house.gov/paul/ and watch it there.