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		By: Cheryl Rofer		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link to Wolfsthal&#8217;s article.&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#8217;m really not very current on the question of U-234 content related to mines. However, I can speak to general issues of geological occurrence and isotope and uranium chemistry.&lt;br /&gt;
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Wolfsthal&#8217;s analysis is correct and overlaps with what I posted on WhirledView earlier. His observation that the Pu on the containers could come from overpacks adds to the uncertainty as to origin. &lt;br /&gt;
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I wasn&#8217;t aware that the U-234 content was known to vary within mines, but this would not be surprising. Content of practically everything varies within mines, sometimes within a few tens of feet.&lt;br /&gt;
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In any case, the U-234 measurement is one-dimensional. It is a single number, which can depend on numerous factors and can be changed in processing, although probably not by much in a conversion to UF6. It&#8217;s also a small number and a fairly difficult analysis, so it can be subject to large uncertainties. I wouldn&#8217;t consider it enough to identify a mine; I&#8217;d probably look for trace elements, although they might disappear in the UF6 conversion.&lt;br /&gt;
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The question of how many reference samples were available is a good one. I&#8217;ll repeat the possibility that uranium from different mines may be mixed at a mill (where the ore is converted to yellowcake). This was common practice in the Soviet Union. The Sillam&#228;e plant in Estonia received ore from Central Asia, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Poland, and East Germany, and the relative amounts differed from time to time. A recent article in Science noted that a mill in Kyrgyzstan received ore from as far away as Hungary. Doesn&#8217;t make much sense for a capitalist, but that&#8217;s the way the Soviets did it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to Wolfsthal&#8217;s article.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really not very current on the question of U-234 content related to mines. However, I can speak to general issues of geological occurrence and isotope and uranium chemistry.</p>
<p>Wolfsthal&#8217;s analysis is correct and overlaps with what I posted on WhirledView earlier. His observation that the Pu on the containers could come from overpacks adds to the uncertainty as to origin. </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t aware that the U-234 content was known to vary within mines, but this would not be surprising. Content of practically everything varies within mines, sometimes within a few tens of feet.</p>
<p>In any case, the U-234 measurement is one-dimensional. It is a single number, which can depend on numerous factors and can be changed in processing, although probably not by much in a conversion to UF6. It&#8217;s also a small number and a fairly difficult analysis, so it can be subject to large uncertainties. I wouldn&#8217;t consider it enough to identify a mine; I&#8217;d probably look for trace elements, although they might disappear in the UF6 conversion.</p>
<p>The question of how many reference samples were available is a good one. I&#8217;ll repeat the possibility that uranium from different mines may be mixed at a mill (where the ore is converted to yellowcake). This was common practice in the Soviet Union. The Sillam&auml;e plant in Estonia received ore from Central Asia, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Poland, and East Germany, and the relative amounts differed from time to time. A recent article in Science noted that a mill in Kyrgyzstan received ore from as far away as Hungary. Doesn&#8217;t make much sense for a capitalist, but that&#8217;s the way the Soviets did it.</p>
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