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		By: c. Kenneth Quinones		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[c. Kenneth Quinones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Again, the above comment exceeds the capability of analysts at DOE and elsewhere in the intel community to think outside their mental boxes.  WELL DONE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, the above comment exceeds the capability of analysts at DOE and elsewhere in the intel community to think outside their mental boxes.  WELL DONE</p>
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		By: Cheryl Rofer		</title>
		<link>https://totalwonkerr.net/2005/02/02/more-on-north-korea-and-libya/#comment-13</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheryl Rofer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#8220;The Post says that the UF6 containers had traces of North Korean plutonium. That may prove the containers were in North Korea, but it doesn&#8217;t prove that the UF6 came from there. The UF6 may have been produced in another country, even if the natural uranium came from North Korea.&#8221;&lt;br /&gt;
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Good point. I also agree with your point 3. To pick a nit here that may not be unimportant, was it the containers that tested for the presence of plutonium, or the contents? I can&#8217;t be sure from the Post story. &lt;br /&gt;
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&#8220;Now, the Times story does trace the UF6 back to North Korea, but how reliable is the intelligence method the article describes (e.g. process of elimination, tracking U-234, etc.)? What kind of samples do you need from a country in order to make an identification? Is natural uranium enough, or do the samples need to come from uranium compounds (e.g. UF6?).&#8221;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Times story points out the uncertainties. The process of elimination is the diciest. As I suggested at WhirledView, samples with U-234 content that doesn&#8217;t match country standards could have come from Soviet processing plants, where, say, Hungarian, Czechoslovak, and Kazakh ore might have been mixed together. If the uranium hasn&#8217;t been through a reactor or enrichment, the isotopic makeup remains unchanged.&lt;br /&gt;
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I strongly disagree that &#8220;the two don&#8217;t seem to exclude one another.&#8221; For my argument on this, see the WV post. I find this the most interesting aspect of this story: For a change, the science in both stories is reported in a way that seems reasonably accurate, and not garbled versions of a single story.&lt;br /&gt;
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One possible interpretation: two samples with different provenances were analyzed by two labs. The Times mentions Oak Ridge, but the Post doesn&#8217;t mention a specific laboratory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Post says that the UF6 containers had traces of North Korean plutonium. That may prove the containers were in North Korea, but it doesn&rsquo;t prove that the UF6 came from there. The UF6 may have been produced in another country, even if the natural uranium came from North Korea.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point. I also agree with your point 3. To pick a nit here that may not be unimportant, was it the containers that tested for the presence of plutonium, or the contents? I can&#8217;t be sure from the Post story. </p>
<p>&#8220;Now, the Times story does trace the UF6 back to North Korea, but how reliable is the intelligence method the article describes (e.g. process of elimination, tracking U-234, etc.)? What kind of samples do you need from a country in order to make an identification? Is natural uranium enough, or do the samples need to come from uranium compounds (e.g. UF6?).&#8221;</p>
<p>The Times story points out the uncertainties. The process of elimination is the diciest. As I suggested at WhirledView, samples with U-234 content that doesn&#8217;t match country standards could have come from Soviet processing plants, where, say, Hungarian, Czechoslovak, and Kazakh ore might have been mixed together. If the uranium hasn&#8217;t been through a reactor or enrichment, the isotopic makeup remains unchanged.</p>
<p>I strongly disagree that &#8220;the two don&rsquo;t seem to exclude one another.&#8221; For my argument on this, see the WV post. I find this the most interesting aspect of this story: For a change, the science in both stories is reported in a way that seems reasonably accurate, and not garbled versions of a single story.</p>
<p>One possible interpretation: two samples with different provenances were analyzed by two labs. The Times mentions Oak Ridge, but the Post doesn&#8217;t mention a specific laboratory.</p>
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